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HMS Carlisle, a converted AA cruiser armed with these guns, shot down 11 aircraft during the war, the highest score among British cruisers. The Auxiliary AA ship Alynbank, also armed with these guns, shot down six aircraft. These guns were noteworthy as having "neither long barrel life nor particularly high accuracy" - John Campbell. This was blamed on the use of projectiles with a too-short parallel section which led to poor centering at the muzzle. The Mark XVII was designed for some "County" class cruisers with the intention of replacing two of their single 4"/45 (10.2 cm) Mark V mountings with twin mountings without exceeding the Treaty weight limits. This hair-splitting exercise was described as "ridiculous punctiliousness" by John Campbell. Twelve guns were manufactured, all of which were later converted back to the Mark XVI standard. The Mark XVIII was the original designation for an improved version of the Mark XVI but this was redesignated as the Mark XVI* before being accepted into service. The Mark XXI was a lighter version built to revised design rules with an autofretted monobloc barrel and removable breech ring. The original Mark XVI had an A tube, jacket from muzzle to removable breech ring and used a down-sliding breech block which was manually operated but opened semi-automatically. The Mark XVI* was the most produced version and differed by having the A tube replaced by an autofretted loose barrel with a sealing collar at the front of the jacket. Mark XVI guns when repaired were converted to the Mark XVI* standard. Some 2,555 Mark XVI and XVI* along with 238 Mark XXI guns were manufactured in Britain. Canada produced 504 Mark XVI* and 135 Mark XXI guns. Australia produced a further 45 Mark XVI* guns. |
4"/45 (10.2 cm) Mark XVI
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4" (10.2 cm) shell in fuze setter on HMS
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Illustration showing the differences between
BL and QF guns
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See XIX
Elevation
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| Designation | 4"/45 (10.2 cm) QF HA Mark XVI, XVI*, Mark XVII and Mark XXI |
| Ship Class Used On | Mark XVI and XVI*
Many capital ships, a few aircraft carriers, most 8" (20.3 cm) and 6" (15.2 cm) cruisers AA Cruisers as rearmed, Abdiel minelayers, "Tribal", "Hunt" and "Weapon" class destroyers "L" class destroyers Lance, Gurkha, Legion and Lively "P" class destroyer Petard Australian and Canadian "River" class frigates Australian warships Parramatta, Warrego, Bathurst and Kanimbla Most sloops, auxiliary AA ships, AMCs, some landing ships, depot ships and netlayers 1938 - 1948 Polish destroyer Blyskawica Mark XXI
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| Date Of Design | About 1934 |
| Date In Service | 1936 |
| Gun Weight | Mark XVI: 4,495 lbs. (2,039 kg)
Mark XVI*: 4,502 lbs. (2,042 kg) Mark XXI: 3,397 lbs. (1,541 kg) |
| Gun Length oa | 190.5 in (4.839 m) |
| Bore Length | 180.0 in (4.572 m) |
| Rifling Length | 149.5 in (3.798 m) |
| Grooves | (32) 0.037 in deep x 0.270 (0.94 x 6.86 mm) |
| Lands | 0.1227 in (3.117 mm) |
| Twist | Uniform RH 1 in 30 |
| Chamber Volume | 511.8 in3 (8.387 dm3) |
| Rate Of Fire | 15 - 20 rounds per minute |
| Type | Fixed |
| Weight of Complete Round | HE - 63.5 lbs. (28.8 kg)
SAP - 66.75 lbs. (30.28 kg) |
| Projectile Types and Weights | HE - 35 lbs. (15.88 kg)
SAP - 38.25 lbs. (17.35 kg) |
| Bursting Charge | N/A |
| Projectile Length | N/A
Complete round was 45.13 in (114.6 cm) |
| Propellant Charge | 9.0 lbs. SC or 10.5 lbs. NF/S (4.09 or
4.8 kg)
Cartridge - 28.5 lbs. (12.9 kg) |
| Muzzle Velocity | 2,660 fps (811 mps) |
| Working Pressure | 20.5 tons/in2 (3,230 kg/cm2) |
| Approximate Barrel Life | 600 rounds |
| Magazine capacity per gun | Hood, Barham, Malaya and Warspite:
250 to 280 rounds plus 250 total star shells
Cruisers: 200 rounds Roberts: 400 rounds plus 12 star shells |
| Notes:
1) The sources below differ as to the muzzle velocity and range of these weapons. I have chosen to use those given in "Naval Weapons of World War Two." 2) Outfits included SAP, HE, shrapnel and star shells. 3) Outfit on Roberts per gun was 80 SAP, 320 HE, 12 star and 83 practice. |
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| Elevation | With 35 lbs. (15.9 kg) HE Shell |
| Range @ 45 degrees | 19,850 yards (18,150 m) |
| AA Range @ 80 degrees | 39,000 feet (11,890 m) |
| Designation
(see Note 1) |
Twin HA/LA Mount - Mark XIX
Capital Ships: Barham (4), Malaya (4), Warspite (4), Royal Sovereign class (4), Hood (7) Monitors: Roberts class (4) Carriers: Furious (6), Unicorn (4), Activity (1), Campania (2), Nairana (2), Vindex (2), Pretoria Castle (2) Cruisers: Kent class (4) except Suffolk (2) and Canberra (0), London class (4), Norfolk class (4), Exeter (2) Cruisers: Leander class (4), Perth (4), Hobart (4), Arethusa class (4) Cruisers: Southampton class (4), Edinburgh class (6), Fiji class (4), Ceylon class (4), Swiftsure class (4) Old Cruisers: Danae (1), Dragon (1? - see Note 1) AA Cruisers: Cairo (4), Calcutta (4), Carlisle (4), Curacoa (4), Caledon (3), Colombo (3) Cruiser/Minelayers: Abdiel class - First Group (3) as rearmed; Abdiel class - Second Group (2) as built Destroyers: "Tribals" (1), "P" class Petard (2), "L" class Lance (4), Gurkha (4), Legion (4) and Lively (4) Destroyers: Canadian "Tribals" Cayuga (4), Athabaskan (4) Post-war Destroyers: "Weapon" class (3) Old Destroyers: Wallace (2), some "V" class (2) and "W" class (2) Escort Destroyers: Hunt Type I (2), Hunt Type II (3), Hunt Type III (2), Hunt Type IV (3) Frigates: "Bay" class (2), Canadian "River" class (1), Late Australian "River" Class (2) Sloops: Fleetwood (1), Egret class (4), Black Swan class (3), Australian Parramatta (1) AMC: Canton (2), Corfu (2) Sea-going Auxiliary AA ships: Alynbank (4), Springbank (4), Foylebank (4), Palomares (3), Pozarica (4) Sea-going Auxiliary AA ships: Tynwald (3), Ulster Queen (3), Canadian Prince Robert (5) LSH (L): Bulolo (2), Lothian (2) LSI (L): Glenearn (3), Glengyle (3), Glenroy (3) LSI (M): Prince David (1), Prince Henry (1) Submarine Depot Ships: Bonaventure (1), Montclare (2), Wolfe (2) Netlayers: Guardian (1), Protector (1) Polish Blyskawica (4) Single HA/LA Mounts
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| Weight | Mark XIX: 37,072 lbs. (16,816 kg)
Mark XX: 22,064 lbs. (10,008 kg) Mark XXIV: 19,039 lbs. (8,636 kg) |
| Elevation | All: -10 / +80 degrees |
| Elevation Rate
(see Note 2) |
Manually operated, only
Units adapted for RPC: 15 - 20 degrees per second |
| Train | 340 degrees |
| Train Rate
(see Note 2) |
Manually operated, only
Units adapted for RPC: 15 - 20 degrees per second |
| Gun recoil | 15 in (38 cm) |
| Notes:
1) Many older battleships and cruisers traded their single 4" (10.2 cm) Mark V guns for these twin mountings during the 1930s and early 1940s. HMS Hood had four twin mountings added in 1937 and three more twin mountings added in 1940, at which time all of her 5.5" (14 cm) single mountings were removed. British "Tribal" class destroyers had their "X" position 4.7" (12 cm) twin mounting replaced with one 4" (10.2 cm) twin mounting. The first Abdiel group had their three 4.7"/45 (12.7 cm) Mark CPXIX twin mountings replaced by three 4" (10.2 cm) twin mountings. The Hunt Type I destroyers were originally intended to mount three twin mountings, but an error in stability calculations resulted in the removal of "X" mounting. Petard was originally armed with four 4" (10.2 cm) Mark V guns in single mountings, she was rearmed with two 4" (10.2 cm) twin mountings during the war. The post-war "Weapon" class destroyers had three twin mountings as completed, although one was later removed in order to add Squid ASW. The Mark XX single mounting was used only on Australian ships. The Mark XXI gun in the Mark XXIV single mounting was a late-war development intended for "Loch" class frigates and "Castle" class corvettes but only Loch Veyatie, completed after the war, actually carried this gun and mounting. "Naval Weapons of World War Two" says that the cruiser HMS Dragon carried at least one Mark XIX mounting, but I can find no other reference that supports this claim. HMS Belfast had two Mark XIX twin mountings removed in 1944-45 as weight compensation for growth in other areas. Palomares and Ulster Queen had their three Mark XIX twin mountings replaced by three single 6" (15.2 cm) guns (type unknown) during the war. The Polish destroyer Blyskawica had her 120 mm guns replaced in 1941 with these guns. In the 1950s, the British guns were removed and she was then rearmed with Russian 100 mm guns. 2) As built, all twin mountings were manually operated. Some were fitted with RPC during the war, there being three Metadyne types, RP 50, RP 51 and RP 52. All three had the elevating and training motors on the mountings and drove the mounting through worm gears. RP 50 and RP 52 had the Metadyne sets on the fixed structure while RP 51 had them on the rotating mass. RP 50 had elevating and training rates of 15 degrees per second while the others had elevating and training rates of 20 degrees per second. RP 51 and RP 52 had a joystick for local control. 3) The Edinburgh class cruisers had an unusual design feature in that their 4" (10.2 cm) guns were positioned well back from the secondary magazines, which were located under the flight deck. To transport the ammunition from the magazine hoists back to the guns, these ships were equipped with a 110 foot (33.5 m) conveyer system which consisted of trolleys on a sort of railway, which "British Cruisers of World War Two" describes as being "a complicated arrangement which in action could easily be disrupted." 4) The gun axes were 21 in (53.3 cm) apart on the Twin Mark XIX. |
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