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Some mountings were given high elevation capability with the idea that they could be used against aircraft, but the guns had a low rate of fire and the mountings could not train or elevate quickly enough to be effective in the AA role. Large dispersion patterns were a problem with these ships during their early service life, with Takao in 1933 reporting patterns of 483 meters (530 yards) at a mean firing range of 19,300 meters (21,100 yards). In a target shoot against the old Aso (ex-Russian Armored Cruiser Bayan) in 1932, the cruisers Nachi and Myoko repeatedly straddled at ranges between 15,800 and 22,300 meters (14,450 and 20,390 yards) yet failed to score a single hit because of dispersion patterns of about 350 meters (380 yards). Much effort was put into reducing dispersion, with the Nachi class in 1936 achieving patterns of 280 to 330 meters (306 to 360 yards) at ranges of 20,000 to 22,000 meters (21,870 to 24,060 yards). The Japanese also introduced electro-mechanical aids, such as the Type 98 (Model 1938) Gunfiring Delay Installation which consisted of a "trigger time limiting device" which reduced the time of firing to less than 0.2 seconds after the circuit was made and a "firing time separator" which produced a lag of 0.03 seconds between the firing of each gun in a turret. This latter device was to make the shells leave each gun barrel at slightly different times, thus reducing their mutual interference in flight. These devices reduced dispersion by about 10-15%. Patterns for the 10-gun cruisers were reported as being very small at the Battle of Samar in 1944. Nomenclature note: Even though these guns were developed in 1930 to 1931, they were still designated as Type 3 (Model 1914). The No. 2 (2 GÔ) designation was used to distinguish these guns from the older 20 cm (7.9") Type 3 No. 1 (1 GÔ) guns. Actual bore diameter was 20.32 cm (8.0"). Constructed of A tube, full-length jacket, breech ring, breech bush and used a Welin screw breech operated by hydraulic power or hand. |
Heavy Cruiser IJN Myoko at the end of World
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| Designation | 20 cm/50 (8") 3rd Year Type (Model 1914) 2 GÔ (No. 2) |
| Ship Class Used On | All Japanese Heavy Cruisers after 1940 |
| Date Of Design | 1930 (actual design date) |
| Date In Service | 1931 |
| Gun Weight | 18.7 tons (19 mt) |
| Gun Length oa | 405.9 in (160 cm) |
| Bore Length | 393.70 in (10.000 m) |
| Rifling Length | 333.9 in (10.310 m) |
| Grooves | (48) 0.090 in deep x 0.327 in (2.28 mm x 8.299 mm) |
| Lands | 0.197 in (5.00 mm) |
| Twist | Uniform RH 1 in 27.56 |
| Chamber Volume | 4,150 in3 (68.0 dm3) |
| Rate Of Fire
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3 to 5 rounds per minute |
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1) At or near maximum elevation, the rate of fire slowed to 2 to 3 rounds per minute for most mounts. The pusher hoists used for the "E" turrets could bring shells to the gunhouse at a maximum rate of four shells per minute. 2) When it came time for Furutaka and Kako to be rearmed in the 1930s, production difficulties held up deliveries of the 20 cm (8") 2 GÔ guns intended for these ships. Rather than wait for these guns to be completed, the Japanese instead took 20 cm (7.9") 1 GÔ guns removed from Haguro and Ashigara, rebored and relined them to 20.3 cm (8"), and then installed them onto Furutaka and Kako. I would assume that these guns would have been replaced with standard 20 cm (8") No. 2 weapons during any regunning operations during the war. |
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| Type | Bag |
| Projectile Types and Weights
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AP Type 91 - 277.4 lbs. (125.85 kg)
Common Type 91 HE - 277.4 lbs. (125.85 kg) Common Type 0 HE - 277.4 lbs. (125.85 kg) Common Type 3 IS - 277.4 lbs. (125.85 kg) Illum - 277.4 lbs. (125.85 kg) |
| Bursting Charge | AP Type 91 - 6.9 lbs. (3.11 kg)
Common Type 91 HE - 18.0 lbs. (8.2 kg) Common Type 0 HE - 18.0 lbs. (8.2 kg) |
| Projectile Length | AP Type 91 - 35.68 in (90.62 cm)
Common Type 91 HE - 35.83 in (91.0 cm) Common Type 0 HE - 34.65 in (88.0 cm) Common Type 3 IS - 34.07 in (86.55 cm) |
| Propellant Charge | 73.6 lbs. (33.8 kg) 53 DC |
| Muzzle Velocity | All except Illum - 2,756 fps (840 mps)
Illum - 2,330 fps (710 mps) |
| Working Pressure | 19.9 tons/in2 (3,130 kg/cm2) |
| Approximate Barrel Life | 320 - 400 rounds |
| Ammunition stowage per gun | 120 - 126 rounds |
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1) IS is my abbreviation for the incendiary shrapnel round (sankaidan) intended for AA use. This was officially listed as a Common shell, but was actually an incendiary fragmentation round. 2) The propellant charge was in two bags. 3) Type 91 shells were all 6 / [infinity] crh with boat tail and two copper driving bands. The diameter of the bourrelet was 7.96 in (20.218 cm). These 20 cm (8") Type 91 shells were not true "APC" projectiles as they lacked a cap, having only a cap head and windshield. Cap head and windshield together weighed 17 lbs. (7.7 kg). There were true APC projectiles, designated as Type 91 Mod 1, but these were used only for armor penetration experiments and were not in service. 4) The Shômeidan B Illumination round had an effective range of 17,500 yards (16,000 m) and an illuminating power of 1.6 million candelas. The maximum ballistic range was 24,900 yards (22,770 m). 5) In addition to the projectiles listed above, there were also Type 91 Exercise and Type 91 Timed Exercise shells. 6) According to "Japanese Cruisers of the Pacific War," the average maximum range for the 10-gun cruisers for daylight actions increased from about 16,840 yards (15,400 m) in 1924 to greater than 21,870 yards (20,000 m) by 1937 and the estimated hit projection increased from 3.0% at 21,870 yards (20,000 m) in 1930-34 to 6.0% in 1935-1940. The actual percentage of hits achieved during the war was much lower than these figures, a not unusual experience. |
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| Designation | Two-gun Mountings
Takao (5): Model E
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| Weight | 163 - 172 tons (166 - 175 mt) |
| Elevation | C and D: -5 / +40 degrees
E: -5 / +70 degrees E1, E2, Modified E2 and E3: -5 / +55 degrees |
| Elevation Rate | C, D, E2, Modified E2
and E3: 6 degrees per second
E and E1: 12 degrees per second |
| Train | About +120 / -120 degrees |
| Train Rate | 4 degrees per second |
| Gun recoil | N/A |
| Loading Angle | +5 or +7 degrees |
| Notes:
1) When converted to the No. 2 weapons, the Type C and D mountings were modified to increase their maximum elevation to +40 degrees. It is possible that Aoba was later modified to +50 degrees. 2) For the Mogami class, as these guns were longer than the 15.5 cm (6.1") guns they replaced, the guns of No. 2 turret could not depress below +12 degrees when trained on the centerline. Otherwise, they would have struck No. 1 turret. 3) The "Modified E2" turrets used on the Mogami class had a larger diameter roller path to fit the triple 15.5 cm (6.1") barbette. Taking this and Note 2 into account, it would appear to be a myth that these ships were designed with the potential for mounting 20.3 cm (8") guns in mind. 4) During modernization and replacement of the 20 cm (7.9") No. 1 with the 20 cm (8") No. 2, the Furutaka class was converted from six "A" single mounts to three "E2" twin mounts. 5) These mountings varied in detail from class to class and even within a class but many features were the same. They were operated with very noisy electric motor driven oil hydraulic pumps located in the revolving structure. Damage to rubber covered wiring by oil leaks was a common complaint. Run out was by compressed air. Elevation was by rack and pinion on the C, D and E1 mountings and by hydraulic actuators on the other E types. The Modified E2 and E3 mountings had 315 inch (8 m) rangefinders, the others had 236 inch (6 m) rangefinders. 6) "E" Model mountings had two hoists per gun, while the other Models had one. The second hoist was intended to support higher angle (anti-aircraft) firing by making it easier to change ammunition types, but they resulted in a larger turret trunk, a larger lower chamber, increased turret weight and added crewmen. As loading was performed at +5 degrees and the training and elevation speeds were low, the reality was that these mounts were of little use for anti-aircraft defense. The maximum elevation of the "E" Model was +70 degrees, but the elevating and recoil mechanisms proved to be fragile and it was found that +55 degrees was the maximum practical elevation. The later, improved "E1" and "E2" mountings were designed with a maximum elevation of +55 degrees. 7) The gun axes were 74.8 in (190 cm) apart. 8) As originally completed in the 1920s, the Model C and D mountings used pusher hoists that effectively created a continuous powder train between the gun breeches and the magazines. During reconstruction in the 1930s, the pusher hoists were replaced by more flashtight "bucket" hoists on an endless chain. These proved their worth when a flareback wrecked Turret 2 on Ashigara in 1935. Although 41 men were killed or injured, the flash did not penetrate down into the magazines. 9) E model mountings (and the B model used on Akagi and Kaga) differed from earlier mounts in having flat roofs instead of sloped roofs and in that the rangefinders were partially within the mounting instead of being superimposed. The entry doors on the rear of these later mountings had a curved top while earlier doors were rectangular. |
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