These guns were considered to be an excellent weapon by the French, but the ships they were installed on were handicapped by poor fire control and low maximum turret elevations and hence short range. Salvo dispersions at their maximum range of 15,860 yards (14,500 m) was 330 feet (100 m).
Some of the unused guns intended for the never built Normandie class were used to rearm the Bretagne class when they were reconstructed in the 1930s. Other spare guns were later used as coast artillery, with four guns in two twin turrets mounted at Cap Cepet near Toulon. Four additional guns were used with a French version of the German BSG mounting and installed at Plouharnel near Quiberon. Additional spare guns were used on railway mountings. After Provence was scuttled at Toulon in November 1942, the Germans removed her two after turrets and then used them as coastal artillery in Southern France. These emplacements saw action in August 1944 during the Allied invasion where they were fired upon by the French battleship Lorraine and by USS Nevada (BB-36).
In May 1943 the French proposed to the USA that the incomplete Jean Bart be finished in a US yard as a combination anti-aircraft / carrier platform. Jean Bart had already given up her four 380 mm (14.96") guns to re-arm sister-ship Richelieu, so this proposal saw refitting her single main turret with four 340 mm (13.4") guns taken from the old battleship Lorraine together with cradles from the Métline coastal defense battery in Tunisia. All smaller caliber guns were to be removed and replaced with fifteen twin 5"/38 (12.7 cm) mountings and sixteen 40 mm Bofors quad mountings. Six aircraft of either US Avenger or British Barracuda torpedo bomber types along with US Hellcat or British Seafire fighters were to be carried. A second proposed reconstruction saw removal of all aircraft facilities and the secondary battery increased to seventeen twin 5"/38 (12.7 cm) mountings along with twenty 40 mm quads. This latter design also entailed using eight Mark 37 GFCS and twenty Mark 51 fire control systems. The USN decided that their resources would be much better spent turning out new ships - the guns and directors were the equivalent of about six Gearing class destroyers - rather than to use them to rearm an obsolescent foreign warship and so Jean Bart then languished until her postwar rebuild in France.
Gun construction was generally similar to that of the 380 mm (14.96") guns used on the later Richelieu class battleships, but there was an additional C tube and no loose liner. The Welin breech block is believed to have opened horizontally. Actual bore length was 45.82 calibers.
NMN Bretagne about 1918
Stern turrets on Lorraine
Adding burster charge to 340 mm APC shells
at Usine pyrotechnique Saint-Nicolas about 1916
|Designation||340 mm/45 (13.4") Model 1912|
|Ship Class Used On||Bretagne, Normandie and Lille classes|
|Date Of Design||1912|
|Date In Service||1915|
|Gun Weight||65.89 tons (66.95 mt)|
|Gun Length oa||634.5 in (16.115 m)|
|Bore Length||613.4 in (15.580 m)|
|Rifling Length||521.7 in (13.250 m)|
|Grooves||(102) 0.075 in deep x 0.295 in (1.9 mm x 7.5 mm)|
|Lands||0.118 in (3.0 mm)|
|Twist||Uniform RH 1 in 29.89|
|Chamber Volume||15,646 in3 (256.4 dm3)|
|Rate Of Fire||about 2 rounds per minute|
|Projectile Types and Weights||APC M1912 - 1,224 lbs. (555 kg)
APC M1924 - 1,268 lbs. (575 kg)
HE M1926 - 842 lbs. (382 kg)
HE 15A - 1,025 lbs. (465 kg)
HE17 FATO - 981 lbs. (445 kg)
HE FATO 32-6 - 952 lbs. (431.8 kg)
|Bursting Charge||APC M1924 - 47.8 lbs. (21.7 kg)
Others - N/A
|Projectile Length||APC M1912 - 49.5 in (125.8 cm)
APC M1924 - 58.9 in (149.6 cm)
HE M1926 - 41.5 in (105.4 cm)
Others - N/A
|Propellant Charge||APC M1912 - 338.4 lbs. (153.5 kg) BM 16
APC M1924 - 338.4 lbs. (153.5 kg) BM 16
HE M1926 - 308.6 lbs. (140 kg) BM 15
HE 15A - 338.4 lbs. (153.5 kg) BM 16
HE 17 FATO - 390 lbs. (177 kg) SD19G
HE FATO 32-6 - 390 lbs. (177 kg) SD19G
|Muzzle Velocity||APC M1912 - 2,605 fps (794 mps)
APC M1924 - 2,559 fps (780 mps)
HE M1926 - 2,904 fps (885 mps)
HE 15A - 2,930 fps (893 mps)
HE 17 FATO - 3,005 fps (916 mps)
HE FATO 32-6 - 3,022 fps (921 mps)
|Working Pressure||17.8 tons/in2 (2,800 kg/cm2)|
|Approximate Barrel Life||about 250 rounds|
|Ammunition stowage per gun||Bretagne: 100 rounds
Others: N/A, but probably 100 rounds
1) Propellant was in four bags.
2) Of the shells listed above, only the first three were used on ships, the others were for Railway guns.
3) It is not known how many ships were modified to carry the significantly longer APC M1924.
4) The APC M1912 was modified to add dye bags around 1940 (K version). These weighed 1,230 lbs. (558 kg) and were 50.9 inches (129.2 cm) long.
|Elevation||With 1,224 lbs. (555 kg) M1912 AP Shell|
|Range @ 12 degrees||15,860 yards (14,500 m)|
|Range @ 18 degrees||19,690 yards (18,000 m)|
|Elevation||With 1,268 lbs. (575 kg) M1924 AP Shell|
|Range @ 18 degrees||22,970 yards (21,000 m)|
|Range @ 23 degrees||29,090 yards (26,600 m)|
|Range @ 47.5 degrees
(as coast defense gun)
|38,749 yards (35,432 m)|
|Note: The "Warship Volume X" articles listed below give contradictory ranges for 18 degrees of elevation. The above table attempts to reconcile the data in those articles.|
(see Note 2)
|As completed: -5 / +12 degrees|
|Rate of Elevation||N/A|
|Train||Forward and aft turrets: about -150
/ +150 degrees
Q turret: about 30 to 150 degrees on either side
|Rate of Train||N/A|
|Loading Angle||+2 degrees|
1) Data in this table is for the Bretagne class, data for the others is not available. These ships were equipped with electric motors driving hydraulic training and elevation gear. Chain rammers were also electric powered. Each gun had its own hoist which ran from the working chamber under the turret and a second pair of hoists ran down to the magazines. Gun loading cages had three compartments, the lower one for the projectile and the upper two each carrying two charges.
2) As originally completed in 1916-17, all turrets had a maximum elevation of 12 degrees with the exception of Lorraine, whose No. 5 turret was given a maximum elevation of 18 degrees. In 1917 the elevation of No. 5 turret on Provence was increased to 18 degrees. During reconstruction between 1919 and 1923, elevation of all turrets was increased to 18 degrees and increased again later during the 1920s to 23 degrees. Coastal artillery emplacements allowed a 50 degree maximum elevation.
3) The amidships turret was removed from Lorraine in 1934-35 in order to fit an aircraft catapult and additional AA guns.
4) During rebuilds in the 1930s, guns originally intended for the uncompleted Normandie class were used to regun the Bretagne class.
5) Turret No. 2 on the Bretagne class was fitted with an 8.20 m (26 ft) rangefinder during various rebuilds in the late 1920s and early 1930s.
6) For the proposed Jean Bart reconstruction, the coastal battery gun cradles would have allowed a maximum elevation of +35 degrees.
12 August 2006 - Benchmark
22 December 2009 - Added information on proposed Jean Bart reconstruction
07 January 2012 - Added pictures of Lorraine and APC shells
25 February 2012 - Added information on guns used as Coastal Artillery