Description

A medium caliber gun used on the last of France's pre-dreadnoughts and armored cruisers. Some weapons were reused as coastal artillery after these ships were scrapped after World War I.

Model 1891 differed from the Model 1887 in having a long breech block.

Unless otherwise stated, the data that follows is for the Model 1902.

Gun Characteristics

Designation 194 mm/45 (7.64") Model 1887
194 mm/40 (7.64") Model 1891
194 mm/40 (7.64") Model 1893
194 mm/50 (7.64") Model 1902
Ship Class Used On Model 1887: Dupuy de Lôme
Model 1891: Amiral Charner class
Model 1893: Gloire class
Model 1902: Liberté, Edgar Quinet, Ernest Renan and Jules Michelet classes
Date Of Design 1902
Date In Service about 1910
Gun Weight N/A
Gun Length N/A
Bore Length about 381.9 in (9.700 m)
Rifling Length N/A
Grooves N/A
Lands N/A
Twist N/A
Chamber Volume N/A
Rate Of Fire about 2 rounds per minute

Ammunition

Type Bag
Projectile Types and Weights 1
  • 1887
    • AP: 165 lbs. (75 kg)
  • 1898
    • AP: 190 lbs. (86 kg)
  • 1940s
    • AP: 197.3 lbs. (89.5 kg)
    • HE: 202.4 lbs. (91.8 kg)
Bursting Charge N/A
Projectile Length N/A
Propellant Charge
  • 1887: N/A
  • 1898: N/A
  • 1940s
    • AP: 84.7 lbs. (38.4 kg)
    • HE: 86.4 lbs. (39.2 kg)
Muzzle Velocity
  • 1887: 2,625 fps (800 mps)
  • 1898: 2,525 fps (770 mps)
  • 1940s
    • AP: 3,100 fps (945 mps)
    • HE: 3,084 fps (940 mps)
Working Pressure N/A
Approximate Barrel Life N/A
Ammunition stowage per gun N/A
  • ^"Armored Cruiser Dupuy de Lôme" states that the Model 1887 gun fired 165 lbs. (75 kg) rounds when originally introduced. A heavier round was adopted in the late 1890s. "Naval Weapons of World War Two" states that heavier projectiles and higher muzzle velocities were in use during the 1940s.

Range

Range with 197.3 lbs. (89.5 kg) AP Shell
Elevation Distance
45 degrees
(as coastal artillery)
28,390 yards (25,960 m)

Mount/Turret Data

Designation
  • Twin Turrets
    • Démocratie (4), Edgar Quinet (2), Ernest Renan (2) and Jules Michelet (2): Model 1902
  • Single Turrets
    • Dupuy de Lôme (2): Model 1887
    • Amiral Charner (2): Model 1891
    • Gloire (2): Model 1893 (?)
    • Edgar Quinet (6): Model 1902 (?)
  • Single Casemate mounts
    • Démocratie (4) and Edgar Quinet (4): Model 1902 (?)
Weight N/A
Elevation Dupuy de Lôme: -5 / +15
Amiral Charner: -6 / +14.2
Others: N/A, but probably similar to the above
Elevation Rate N/A
Train Turrets: about -150 / +150 degrees
Casemates: about -80 / +80 degrees
Train Rate N/A
Gun recoil N/A
Loading Angle N/A

Additional Pictures

Sources

Data from:

  • "Naval Weapons of World War Two" by John Campbell
  • "French Warships of World War I" by Jean Labayle Couhat - Ian Allan Series
  • "Armored Cruiser Dupuy de Lôme" by D.B. Yakimovich and A.S. Alexandrov (Marine Campaign 2007, No 5)
  • "Armored Cruiser Charner" by D.B. Yakimovich and A.S. Alexandrov (Marine Campaign 2008, No 3)
  • Tony DiGiulian's personal files

Other:

Special Help by Michal Derela

Page History

28 December 2008
Benchmark
01 May 2009
Added picture of bow gun on Amiral Aube, added Mount / Turret information
25 February 2012
Added mounting information for Edgar Quinet class
28 August 2013
Added information on shell weight and model numbers