Three of these guns were later used on the "M" class submarines. These were meant to be utilized as anti-shipping weapons, as it was felt that a single hit from a 12" (30.5 cm) projectile would be enough to sink a merchant vessel. This was moderately successful, although if the firing tube leaked, the muzzle could be blown off the weapon.
During World War I nineteen of these guns were transferred to land service and then used on nine railway mountings. A further four guns from HMS Queen were sent to Italy.
Consisted of A tube, inner A tube, B tube and overlapping jacket. A total of 110 guns were made, including guns reworked to repair "steel choke" problems, being five Mark IXE (Elswick), five Mark IXv (Vickers) and three Mark IXw (Woolwich). A further six Mark IXw guns with tapered inner A tubes and no forward shoulders were manufactured during World War I. Welin breeches were hand operated, but hydraulic operation was fitted in latter ships. The Vickers "pure-coupled" breech mechanism was used on some guns, designated as A Mark IX. Mark IX* was to be for guns intended for railway mountings which were to have had their front chamber slopes modified, but it appears that no guns were actually altered.
HMS Russell ca. 1904
12" (30.5 cm) gun under construction at
the Elswick Works
Model of M1 Submarine 2660
|Designation||12"/40 (30.5 cm) Mark IX|
|Ship Class Used On||Formidable, London, Duncan and King Edward
"M" class submarines
|Date Of Design||1898|
|Date In Service||1901|
|Gun Weight||50 tons (51 mt) inc. breech|
|Gun Length oa||496.5 in (12.611 m)|
|Bore Length||480 in (12.192 m)|
(see Note 1)
|Increasing RH 0 to 1 in 30|
|Chamber Volume||17,930 in3 (294 dm3)|
|Rate Of Fire
(see Notes 2 and 3)
|about 1.5 rounds per minute
"M" submarines: 0.33 rounds per minute
1) The rifling grooves ran straight for the first 4 feet (1.2 m) and then spiraled with a gradually increasing twist towards the muzzle.
2) The Rate of Fire figure given above is found in references for British guns of this caliber, but "Warrior to Dreadnought: Warship Development 1860-1905" quotes Jellicoe's 1906 figures for rates of fire for these guns in gunlayers' tests and in battle practice and notes that the latter figures corresponded well to those actually attained by the Japanese at Tsushima:
Gunlayers Test: 2 rounds per minute
3) The submarine gun could only be reloaded on the surface. The procedure was to do a submerged approach a target to within 1,200 yards (1,100 m), drive the submarine to the surface, quickly fire the gun and then dive back down. It is apparently a myth that the gun would normally be fired with only the muzzle out of the water when attacking an enemy, as such a condition would mean that the gun was at its maximum elevation while the sighting periscope would be at a minimum height out of the water. Such a combination would mean an extremely slight chance of hitting anything.
|Projectile Types and Weights||APC Mark VI (2crh) - 850 lbs. (386 kg)
APC Mark VIa (4crh) - 859.4 lbs. (389.8 kg)
APC Mark VIIa (Greenboy) - 854 lbs. (387.4 kg)
CPC Mark VIIa - 850 lbs. (386 kg)
HE Mark IIa - 850 lbs. (386 kg)
|Bursting Charge||APC Mark VI - 26.3 lbs. (11.9 kg)
APC Mark VIa - 27.3 lbs. (12.4 kg)
APC Mark VIIa - 20.3 lbs. (9.2 kg)
CPC - 80 lbs. (36.3 kg)
HE - 106.5 lbs. (48.3 kg)
|Projectile Length||APC Mark VI - 39.7 in (100.8 cm)
APC Mark VIa - N/A
APC Mark VIIa - 38.0 in (96.5 cm)
CPC - 48.4 in (122.9 cm)
HE - 48.3 in (122.7 cm)
|Propellant Charge||King Edwards Class: 254 lbs. (115
Others: 246 lbs. (112 kg)
|Muzzle Velocity||King Edward VII class: 2,612 fps
Others: 2,552 fps (778 mps)
|Approximate Barrel Life||N/A|
|Ammunition stowage per gun||King Edwards Class: 105 rounds
Other Battleships: 80 rounds
Submarines: 40 rounds
1) Projectile weights from ADM 186/169. The sources below disagree as to the muzzle velocity for these guns. I have chosen to use those values given in "Warship Volume V" by John Campbell.
2) Early ships carried 2crh shells. 4crh was carried by ships with 30 degree mountings and by the submarines.
3) The BVI mounting originally had two ready-use rounds per gun in the gunhouse, later increased to five rounds. There were eight more rounds per gun stowed in the working chamber which could be accessed via a winch should the shell hoists suffer a breakdown.
|Elevation||With 850 lbs. (386 kg) AP Shell|
|Range @ 13.5 degrees
2crh @ 2,552 fps (778 mps) MV
|15,150 yards (13,850 m)|
|Range @ 13.5 degrees
2crh @ 2,612 fps (796 fps) MV
|15,600 yards (14,260 m)|
|Range @ 20 degrees
4crh @ 2,552 fps (778 mps) MV
|20,950 yards (19,150 m)|
|Range @ 30 degrees
4crh @ 2,612 fps (796 fps) MV
|26,500 yards (24,230 m)|
1) The sources below disagree as to the maximum ranges and muzzle velocities of these guns. I have chosen to use those values given in "British Naval Guns 1880-1945 No 4" by John Campbell.
2) It should be mentioned that these maximum ranges were of little use at the time these ships were built. Fire control systems and rangefinders capable of accurately firing at ranges over 10,000 yards (9,140 m) were nonexistent.
|Range||KC Side Armor|
|4,800 yards (4,390 m)||12 in (30.5 cm)|
|Note: This is for a MV of 2,612 fps (796 mps) and so probably applies only to the King Edward VII class. Data from "British Battleships: 1860 - 1950."|
|Range||KC Side Armor|
|3,000 yards (2,740 m)||9.7 in (24.6 cm)|
|Note: Data from "The Grand Fleet: Warship Design and Development 1906-1922" for an angle of obliquity of 30 degrees and a striking velocity of 1,907 fps (581 mps). Test projectiles were salt-filled (blind).|
All pre-dreadnoughts carried two mounts
Formidable, Implacable, London, Bulwark, Duncan, Montagu, Russell, Cornwallis, Queen, Prince of Wales: BVI
Irresistible, Venerable, Exmouth, Albermarle: BVII
King Edward class: BVII(S)
|Weight||Twin: 184 tons (187 mt)
Single: 120 tons (122 mt)
(see Note 5)
|All surface ships as built: - 3
/ +13.5 degrees
Submarines: -5 / +20 degrees
|Rate of Elevation||N/A|
|Train||Surface ships: about +150 / -150
Submarines: +15 / -15 degrees
|Rate of Train||N/A|
|Loading Angle||BVI: 4.5 degrees
Others: Any angle
1) The BVI mounting was a rotating stalk design with a shell chamber below the gunhouse. The ammunition hoist was interrupted at the shell chamber rather than continuous from the magazine to the gunhouse. Shells were delivered horizontally to the shell chamber where a grab picked them up and delivered them to the gunhouse hoist. From a sketch, this gunhouse hoist appears to be a three level cage with the shell on top and half charges in the lower compartments. This mounting was also designed with safeguards against a cordite fire in the gun chamber flashing down the ammunition tube into the magazine.
2) The BVI mounting had a secondary bogie for hand-loading fitted at the rear of the gun and aligned at 1 degree elevation.
3) The BVII mounting achieved the long-sought British goal of any angle loading, a featured carried through on subsequent ships until it proved impractical on the 15"/42 (38.1 cm) Mark I twin mounts.
4) The submarine mount needed to be loaded and fired on the surface, although some trials had just the muzzle of the gun above the water. The muzzle was fitted with an electrically-operated, water-tight tampion. The gun mounting was free-flooding, thus allowing quick access after surfacing.
5) Commonwealth and Zealandia were altered in 1918 to allow an elevation range of -3 / +30 degrees.
03 March 2007 - Benchmark
30 January 2009 - Added a comment regarding guns repaired for "steel choke" problems
24 May 2009 - Replaced picture of Prince of Wales with picture of Russell
30 August 2011 - Added to mounting notes