Japanese
20 cm/50 (7.9") 3rd Year Type No. 1
Updated 19 April 2007

This weapon was used by the older Japanese heavy cruisers and the Akagi and Kaga aircraft carriers.  As the heavy cruisers were rebuilt in the 1930s, these guns were then replaced by the more powerful 20 cm/50 (8") 3rd Year Type No. 2 (2 GÔ) gun.

The Aircraft Carriers Akagi and Kaga originally had these guns in both twin turrets and in single casemate mountings.  When modernized in the 1930s, the twin mountings were removed and most of their guns were then remounted in additional casemate mountings.  By the start of the war, these two carriers were the only Japanese ships still armed with this weapon and they carried them until they were sunk at the Battle of Midway.

One of these mountings and its guns still survives as a memorial in Thailand.  See "Off-site" resources at the bottom of this page.

Nomenclature note:  The No. 1 (1 GÔ) designation was added to these guns after the more powerful 20 cm/50 (8") 3rd Year Type No. 2 (2 GÔ) was adopted in 1931.

Actual bore diameter was 20 cm (7.87").  These guns were wire wound for part of their length and had screw breech blocks.  They can be distinguished from the 20 cm/50 (8") No. 2 guns by the marked step in the chase diameter.

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Heavy Cruiser IJN Kako in 1926 with 20 cm (7.9") 3rd Year Type guns in single mounts
U.S. Naval Historical Center Photograph # NH 97694

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Gun Characteristics
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Designation 20 cm/50 (7.9") 3rd Year Type (Model 1914) 1 GÔ (No. 1)
Ship Class Used On Heavy Cruisers:  Furutaka, Aoba and Myoko classes
Aircraft Carriers:  Akagi and Kaga

Thailand:  Dhonburi

Date Of Design about 1920
Date In Service 1923
Gun Weight 17.6 tons (17.9 mt)
Gun Length oa 393.7 in (10.000 m)
Bore Length 381.5 in (9.144 m)
Rifling Length N/A
Grooves 48
Lands N/A
Twist N/A
Chamber Volume N/A
Rate Of Fire Aoba and Furutaka classes:  Less than 2 rounds per minute
Others:  3 to 5 rounds per minute
Notes:

1) The intended rate of fire for the Aoba and Furutaka classes as designed was 3 to 5 rounds per minute.  However, they had a very complex ammunition supply system which reduced the realistic ROF to the figure given above.  In addition, moving the shells and charges required a good deal of manual labor, which meant that even this low rate could not be sustained for long periods.

2) When it came time for Furutaka and Kako to be rearmed in the 1930s, production difficulties held up deliveries of their new 20 cm (8") 2 GÔ guns.  Rather than wait for these guns, the Japanese instead took 20 cm (7.9") 1 GÔ guns removed from Haguro and Ashigara, rebored and relined them to 20.3 cm (8"), and then installed them onto Furutaka and Kako.  I would assume that these guns would have been replaced with standard 20 cm (8") No. 2 weapons for any regunning performed during the war.

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Ammunition
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Type Bag
Projectile Types and Weights
(see Notes 2 and 3)
APC Type 5 - 242.5 lbs. (110 kg)
APC No. 6 / Type 88 - 242.5 lbs. (110 kg)
Common Type 4 HE - 242.5 lbs. (110 kg)
Bursting Charge APC Type 5 - 6.4 lbs. (2.9 kg)
APC No. 6 / Type 88 - 6.3 lbs. (2.84 kg)
Common Type 4 - 16.1 lbs. (7.3 kg)
Projectile Length 30 in (76.2 cm)
Propellant Charge 71.76 lbs. (32.55 kg) 53 DC
Muzzle Velocity 2,854 fps (870 mps)
Working Pressure 19 tons/in2 (3,000 kg/cm2)
Approximate Barrel Life 300 rounds
Ammunition stowage per gun 120 rounds
Notes:

1) The propellant charge was in two bags.

2) Common Type 4 was an HE round dating from the 1920s and was not a Common Type 4 incendiary shrapnel (sankaidan) round used during World War II.

3) APC Type 5 was adopted on 15 June 1925.  APC Type 5 was superseded by the APC No. 6 which was adopted on 17 November 1928.  APC No. 6 was essentially similar to the Type 5 in terms of armor penetration but was better protected from premature detonation and had enhanced underwater performance.  APC No. 6 was redesignated as the Type 88 on 6 April 1931.  It appears that no APC Type 91 was ever created for these guns.

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Range
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Elevation With 242.5 lbs. (110 kg) AP Shell
Range @ 25 degrees 26,250 yards (24,000 m)
Range @ 40 degrees 29,200 yards (26,700 m)
Range @ 45 degrees 30,620 yards (28,000 m)
Note:  These figures are from "Japanese Cruisers of the Pacific War" but "Naval Weapons of World War Two" says that the range @ 25 degrees was 24,700 yards (22,600 m) during World War II.  This may be the result of different propellants being used during World War II.
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Mount / Turret Data
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Designation Single Mounts
   Furutaka (6) as built (6):  "A"
   Akagi (6) and Kaga (6) as built:  "A1"
   Akagi (8) and Kaga (10) as modernized:  "A1"

Two-gun Turrets
   Akagi and Kaga as built (2):  "B"
   Aoba class (3):  "C"
   Myoko class (5):  "D"

Weight "A" Single Mount:  56.6 tons (57.5 mt)
"C" and "D" Twin Turrets:  154.5 tons (157 mt)
Others:  N/A
Elevation
(see Note 4)
"A" and "A1" Single Mounts:   -5 / +25 degrees
"B" Twin Turrets:  -5 / +70 degrees
"C" and "D" Twin Turrets:  -5 / +40 degrees
Elevation Rate  "C" and "D" Twin Turrets:  6 degrees per second
Others:  N/A
Train Cruisers
   A, B, X and Y Turrets:  About +150 / -150 degrees
   C Turret:  About +20 / +160 degrees to either side

Carriers
   About +20 / +160 degrees

Train Rate "C" and "D" Twin Turrets:  4 degrees per second
Gun recoil N/A
Loading angle "A", "A1" and "C":  +5 to +9 degrees
"B":  +5 degrees
Notes:

1) These mountings varied in detail from class to class and even within a class but many features were the same.  They were operated with very noisy electric motor driven oil hydraulic pumps located in the revolving structure.  Damage to rubber insulated wiring by oil leaks was a common complaint.  Run out was by compressed air.  Training was by a 50 hp electric motor which drove hydraulic gear.  Elevation was by rack and pinion.  A 75 hp motor drove two hydraulic pumps which provided power to a common ring.  This ring supplied hydraulic actuators for elevating the guns, ramming and the ammunition hoists.  Fuzes were set on the loading tray.  D mountings had 236 inch (6 m) rangefinders.

2) None of the mountings used on carriers could fire cross-deck.

3) Model "B," "C" and "D" mountings had thin steel sheeting along the top and sides to provide a 10 cm (3.9") air space around the turrets.  This provided shading for tropical service.

4) The "B" Model mountings used on the carriers Akagi and Kaga were actually designed sometime later than the "C" and "D" Models.  "B" Model mountings were nearly the same as the Model "E" used on the Takao class heavy cruisers, the difference being that the "B" Model used the 20 cm (7.9") Type 3 No. 1 guns while the "E" Model used the 20 cm (8") Type 3 No. 2 guns.  Like the "E" Model mounts, the "B" Model mounts had two hoists per gun, while the other Models had one.  The second hoist was intended to support higher angle (anti-aircraft) firing by making it easier to change ammunition types, but they resulted in a larger turret trunk, a larger lower chamber, increased turret weight and added crewmen.  As loading was performed at +5 degrees and the training and elevation speeds were low, the reality was that these mounts were of little use for anti-aircraft defense.  The maximum elevation of the "B" Model was +70 degrees, but the elevating and recoil mechanisms proved to be fragile and it was found that +55 degrees was the maximum practical elevation.  These twin mountings were removed from Akagi and Kaga during their reconstruction in the 1930s and after that time they carried only single 20 cm (7.9") guns in casemate mountings.

5) The twin mount gun axes were 74.8 in (190 cm) apart.

6) At the Kosaku Ariga (Jarek) website listed below, there are many pictures of a Japanese-built 20 cm (7.9") mounting used on the Thailand Coastal Defense ship HTMS Dhonburi.  At that website, this mounting is variously described as a Myoko-class style mounting or as a mounting removed from the carrier Kaga.  From my examination of these photographs and others, I believe that only the first of these statements is correct.  The turret used on Dhonburi shows the sloped-roof and super-imposed rangefinder typical of earlier 20 cm (7.9") No. 1 mountings such as those used on the Myoko class.  The "B" Model mountings used on Kaga (and the "E" Model mountings used on later cruisers) had flat roofs and the rangefinder was partially enclosed within the mounting.  I believe that the guns in this Thailand mounting are the 20 cm (7.9") Type 3 No. 1 guns, as the chase shows a tapering after the "C" tube that does not appear in photographs of the 20 cm (8") Type 3 No. 2 guns used on Japanese heavy cruisers during World War II.  As a guess, the guns used for Dhonburi could have been among those removed from Japanese cruisers when the latter was upgraded to the larger 20 cm (8") Type 3 No. 2 guns.

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Data from
"Naval Weapons of World War Two" by John Campbell
"Japanese Cruisers of the Pacific War" by Eric Lacroix and Linton Wells II
"Cruisers of World War Two" by M.J. Whitley
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"Japanese Naval Vessels Illustrated 1869-1945, Volume 3, Aircraft Carriers, Seaplane Tenders, Torpedo Boats and Submarine Tenders"
"Ships of the World, Volume 57"
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Off-site Resources

Kosaku Ariga (Jarek) website showing Japanese 20 cm (7.9") guns on Thailand Coastal Defense Ship Dhonburi Memorial