Description

The 4.7" (12 cm) QF Mark IX was used on most destroyers built in the 1930s and 1940s. The Mark XII was for use in twin mountings and was almost identical to the Mark IX, being slightly heavier and longer. Both Marks fired separate ammunition, otherwise they were similar to the preceding 4.7" (12 cm) BL Mark I. A wet-mount version of the Mark IX was developed for submarines, but only a few were in service and these were replaced by standard 4"/40 (10.2 cm) submarine guns prior to World War II.

The lack of a DP function for these weapons was keenly felt throughout the war as more British destroyers were sunk by air attack than from any other cause. What little AA capability that these weapons did have was hindered by a lack of a tachymetric (predictive) fire control system and the setting of HE time fuzes by hand. The last single mounting designed, the CPXXII, had a spring operated rammer, but all other single mountings were completely hand worked. The twin mounting had power ramming and used power training and elevation but no RPC gear was installed.

Mark IX was constructed of A tube, jacket 80 inches (203 cm) to the muzzle and breech ring. Used a manually operated horizontal sliding breech block with semi-automatic opening. Mark IXA was of loose barrel construction with a removable breech ring. Mark IX* denoted differences in breech ring and semi-automatic breech, which were originally used for two-part wire wound experimental guns. A number of Mark IX* guns were used on destroyers built for Argentina, Brazil and Turkey, but not all of these were delivered. Mark IX** denoted differences in breech ring for CPXVIII mounting. Mark IX**A was for guns converted to loose barrel construction with a removable breech ring. Mark IX**B were new loose barrel guns which differed from Mark IX**A in the breech ring/jacket connection and removable breech ring.

Mark XII was generally similar to Mark IX except that it had a removable breech ring. Mark XIIx had no register on the rear of A tube and breech rings were machined to match. Mark XIIB was of loose barrel construction.

A total of 742 Mark IX and 372 Mark XII guns were manufactured, including all variants. Mark IX**B was one of the largest volume variants, with 183 being made.

Actual bore diameter of all British 4.7" guns was 4.724" (12 cm).

The data that follows is specifically for the Mark IX and Mark XII guns except where noted.

Gun Characteristics

Designation 1 4.7"/45 (12 cm) QF Mark IX
4.7"/45 (12 cm) QF Mark XII
Ship Class Used On
  • Mark IX:
    • Britain:
      • Prototype mounted on Mackay
      • A through I, O and Q through W destroyer classes
      • Ex-Brazilian (H class) and ex-Turkish (I class) destroyers 2
      • Leith, Wellington, Deptford, Indus and Enchantress sloops
      • LCG (L) 3 Nos. 1-20
      • Submarines Thames, Porpoise, Regent, Regulus, Rover
      • Depot ship Barracuda and DEMS Rochester Castle
    • Argentina:
      • Buenos Aires class (G class) 3
    • Turkey:
      • Destroyers Demirhisar and Sultanhisar (I class) 2
  • Mark XII:
    • Britain:
      • Prototype mounted on Hereward
      • Tribal, J, K and N destroyer classes
      • Abdiel class minelayers
    • Netherlands:
      • Van Galen (ii) class (ex-RN "N" destroyers) 4
Date Of Design about 1928
Date In Service 1930
Gun Weight Mark IX: 2.963 - 2.984 tons (3,011 - 3,032 kg)
Mark XII: 3.238 - 3.245 tons (3,290 - 3,297 kg)
Gun Length oa Mark IX: 220.62 in (5.604 m)
Mark XII: 224.08 in (5.692 m)
Bore Length 212.6 in (5.400 m)
Rifling Length 179.3 in (4.552 m)
Grooves (38) 0.037 in deep x 0.270 (0.94 x 6.86 mm)
Lands 0.1205 in (3.061 mm)
Twist Uniform RH 1 in 30
Chamber Volume Mark IX and Mark XII: 628 in3 (10.29 dm3)
Rate Of Fire 5 CPXXII (single) Mounting 6 : 10 - 12 rounds per minute
CPXIX (twin) Mounting 7 : 10 - 12 rounds per minute
Other Mountings: 7 - 10 rounds per minute
  1. ^Prefixes to the RN gun designations were: C - percussion firing only; D - EMF and percussion; F - EMF (later type breech block); G - DEF and percussion.
  2. ^2.12.2At the start of the war in 1939, six "H" class destroyers were under construction for Brazil and four "I" class destroyers were under construction for Turkey. Turkey took possession of two of her destroyers in 1942, but the other eight warships were requisitioned by the Royal Navy.
  3. ^Seven modified "G" class destroyers were delivered to Argentina in 1938.
  4. ^Two "N" class destroyers (ex-RN Noble (i) and ex-RN Nonpareil) were turned over the the Royal Netherlands Navy in 1942 and became RNN Van Galen (ii) and RNN Tjerk Hiddes.
  5. ^As these were all open mountings, bad weather conditions such as experienced by many of these ships on Arctic convoy duty during World War II greatly reduced the ROF figures given above.
  6. ^CPXXII had spring powered rammers, all other single mountings were manually rammed. See "Mount / Turret Data" for additional details.
  7. ^The CPXIX twin mounting had powered ramming. See "Mount / Turret Data" for additional details.

Ammunition

Type Separate
Projectile Types and Weights
(see Note 3)
HE: 50 lbs. (22.68 kg)
SAP: 50 lbs. (22.68 kg)
Bursting Charge N/A - TNT
Projectile Length HE: N/A
SAP: about 15 in (38 cm)
Cartridge Case Type, Size and Empty Weight Brass, 4.724 x 30.922 in (120 x 785.42 mm), N/A
Propellant Charge 11.58 lbs. (5.25 kg) SC 109
13.13 lbs. (5.96 kg) NF/S 164-048
Cartridge: 30.5 lbs. (13.8 kg) with propellant
Muzzle Velocity 2,650 fps (808 mps)
Working Pressure 20 tons/in2 (2,150 kg/cm2)
Approximate Barrel Life 1,400 rounds
Ammunition stowage per gun 1 Tribals: 200 rounds SAP + 50 rounds HE and 50 rounds star shell per ship
Others: N/A, but probably similar to Tribals

The projectiles were little if any different from those used for the 4.7" (12 cm)/45 Mark I BL, these newer guns being essentially the same weapon converted to use cartridges rather than bag propellants. It is noted by Campbell that "the shells had a mediocre ballistic form." From measuring the sketch shown on the additional picture page, the SAP round appears to be about 3crh.

  1. ^Outfits included SAP, HE and star shells. Ten special anti-submarine HE shells with RDX/TNT fillers were supplied to each ship by 1945 and star shell complement was 150-200 per ship. VT fuzes were supplied starting in 1944 and by the end of the war these equipped about 50% of HE projectiles.

Range

Range with 50 lbs. (22.7 kg) HE Shell
Elevation Distance
30 degrees 15,800 yards (14,450 m)
40 degrees 17,000 yards (15,545 m)

Armor Penetration

Armor Penetration with 50 lbs. (22.68 kg) SAP Shell
Range NC Armor Deck Armor
6,500 yards (5,950 m) 2.5" (76 mm) ---

Data from "British Battleships of World War Two." Assumes a perpendicular impact.

Mount/Turret Data

Designation 1 2
  • Single Mountings for Mark IX Guns:
    • Britain:
      • Mackay and Bulldog (4): CPXIII 3
      • A (4), B (4), C (4), D (4), Codrington (5) and RCN Saguenay (4): CPXIV
        • (a lighter version of this mounting was later used on sloops)
      • Submarine wet-mount (1) 4 : CPXVI
      • E(4), F (4), G (4), Exmouth (5), Faulknor (5), Grenville (5) and Hardy (5): CPXVII
      • H (4), I (4), O (4) 5 , Q (4), R (4) and Inglefield (5): CPXVIII
      • S (4), T (4), U (4), V (4) and W (4): CPXXII 6
    • Argentina:
      • Buenos Aires (4): N/A (possibly CPXVII)
  • Twin Mounting for Mark XII Guns:
    • Abdiel (3), Tribal (4), J (3), K (3) and N (3) 7 : CPXIX 8
Weight
  • Single Mountings:
    • CPXIII: N/A
    • CPXIV: 8.64 tons (8.79 mt)
    • CPXIV (sloops): 8.13 tons (8.26 mt)
    • CPXVI: N/A
    • CPXVII: 8.83 tons (8.97 mt)
    • CPXVIII: 9.54 tons (9.70 mt)
    • CPXXII: 11.58 tons (11.77 mt)
  • Twin Mounting:
    • CPXIX: 25.09 tons (25.50 mt)
Elevation
  • Single Mountings:
    • CPXIII: -10 (?) / +60 degrees
    • CPXIV: -10 / +30 degrees
    • CPXVI: -10 / +30 degrees
    • CPXVII 9 : -10 / +40 degrees
    • CPXVIII 10 : -10 / +40 degrees
    • CPXXII: -10 / +55 degrees
  • Twin Mounting:
    • CPXIX: -10 / +40 degrees
Elevation Rate Single mountings: Manually operated, only
Twin mountings: 10 degrees per second
Train
(see Notes 5 and 8)
  • Single Mountings:
    • All but the below: about +150 / -150 degrees
    • "X" position on S, T, U, V and W classes: 360 degrees
  • Twin Mounting:
    • All but the below: +160 / -160 degrees
    • "X" position twin mounting on "J" class: +170 / -170 degrees
Train Rate Single mountings: Manually operated, only
Twin mountings: 10 degrees per second
Gun recoil All except CPXXII: 26.5 in (67.3 cm)
CPXXII: 18 in (45.7 cm)

One of the more noticeable features of destroyers with these guns were the large "sprayshields" forward of "B" gun platform and aft of "X" gun platform. Although these structures did reduce spray on the upper decks, their true purpose was to reduce the problem of blast from the upper guns disrupting the crews of the guns on the lower decks. Similar "sprayshields" can be seen on those USN destroyers armed with open 5\" (12.7 cm) pedestal mounts.

This may be taken as a rather unobvious example of how weapon design influences the design of the rest of the ship. By choosing "lightweight" open mountings for these destroyers, the designers paid a weight penalty in having to add these shield structures. Likewise, the L-M destroyer classes with their "heavyweight" enclosed 4.7" (12 cm) mounts saved some compensating weight by being able to eliminate the blast shields.

  1. ^The mountings used in LCG (L) 3 class, Barracuda and Rochester Castle are unknown.
  2. ^

    Most of the Tribal class had "X" mounting removed and a twin 4"/45 (10.2 cm) HA/LA mounting installed in its place in order to increase their anti-aircraft capabilities. For similar reasons, the Abdiel class had their three 4.7" (12 cm) twin mountings replaced with three twin 4"/45 (10.2 cm) HA/LA mountings.

    Destroyers of the A-I classes reconfigured as ASW escorts had "A" and "Y" guns removed in order to ship more depth charges and to add a Hedgehog launcher. Two RCN Tribal class destroyers were completed after the end of the war with four twin 4"/45 (10.2 cm) HA/LA mountings.

  3. ^

    These guns were first tried on HMS Mackay in a clumsy CPXIII mounting which allowed +60 degrees elevation. This particular mounting was removed and then fitted to HMS Bulldog. This mounting was not adopted for British service, but it appears to have been used on ships built for Argentina, Chile and China.

    This mounting had a 68 inch (173 cm) trunnion height making it difficult to load at low angles. 55 inches (140 cm) is considered the maximum desirable trunnion height for a 50 - 55 lbs. (22.7 - 24.9 kg) projectile.

  4. ^Submarine CPXVI mounts were all replaced during the 1930s with standard 4"/40 (10.2 cm) submarine guns. Four CPXVI were converted for use on destroyers and one of these was carried by HMS Acasta.
  5. ^In order to improve their AA capabilities, four of the "O" class destroyers received old 4" (10.2 cm) guns in lieu of 4.7" (12 cm) guns. The "S" class destroyer HMS Savage did not receive these 4.7" (12 cm) guns as did her sisters, as she was used as a test bed for 4.5" (11.4 cm) guns on destroyers.
  6. ^

    The CPXXII single mounting had a spring-operated rammer, a single-shell fuze setting machine and a shorter recoil stroke. This mounting also enjoyed a higher elevation than in previous mountings, but it was still inadequate for AA purposes.

    The spring-operated rammer feature was interesting. The rammer spring was cocked by the recoil of the weapon. When the loading tray was pushed across into line with the chamber, the spring tripped automatically and operated the ramming head. This moved the shell and cartridge into the breech while at the same time cocking a smaller "rammer return spring." When the loading tray was moved outwards, ready for reloading, the return spring moved the rammer head to the rear. The automatic tray operation was a large improvement over the earlier hand worked versions, but it needed careful adjustment to ensure that the rammer head tripped at the proper time.

    These mountings may be easily distinguished from earlier ones by the "raked-back" nature of their front shields, a modification necessitated by their higher maximum elevations. The "X" position for ships with this mounting had modified stops which allowed a total training arc of about 580 degrees. This is why many photographs of these ships show this mounting stowed pointing dead ahead.

  7. ^

    The Tribal class had their four CPXIX mountings split in two groups, each powered by a 140 HP steam turbine and oil hydraulic pump. The J, K and N classes had a 70 HP electric motor and pump on each individual mounting. Elevation was by a hydraulic motor driving pinions on a common shaft which in turn drove arcs fixed to the gun cradles while training was by a hydraulic motor with a similar worm gear.

    For unknown reasons, "X" mounting on the "J" class was originally set up such that the mid-training position was dead ahead. This meant that this stern mounting on these ships could not bear directly astern and that having to train from the port quarter to the starboard quarter meant that the gun had to slew "the long way round." Early in the war, the mountings were modified to move the mid-train position to the more normal dead astern position. The other destroyers with these mountings were all completed with the stern mountings mid-train position at dead astern.

  8. ^The CPXIX twin mounting was the first British power mounting specifically designed for destroyers. These guns had a trunnion height 13" (33 cm) higher than the single mountings. This required raising the wheelhouse to enable to helmsman to see over the gun shields. It also made loading the weapons at low elevations more difficult. The gun axes were 38 in (96.5 cm) apart.
  9. ^The CPXVII mount achieved +40 degree elevation by having a 14" (35.6 cm) gun well with a removable cover which allowed the breech end to go below the deck level. With the cover in place, the mounting could only elevate to 29.5 degrees. "An obviously makeshift design, one wonders how it managed to make it into a service weapon let alone off the drafting table" - John Campbell in "Naval Weapons of World War Two."
  10. ^The CPXVIII mounting had the balance weight repositioned above the loading tray which allowed +40 degree elevation without the necessity of the gun wells. These mountings used a circular base plate that was directly bolted to the weather deck and were supported underneath by a ring-shaped bulkhead called the "gun support." A lower roller path was machined on the base ring with a similar upper roller path machined into the underside of the mounting turntable platform. A ring of horizontal roller bearings in these paths held the weight of the mounting. At the center of rotation a light cage held vertical thrust roller bearings and the electrical cabling for fire control and lighting ran up through this cage.

Additional Pictures

External Pictures

Images at The Vickers Photographic Archive:

  • For the Mark IX: 4.7 Mark VIII, Single Mark XIII quarter and XXII. "Mark VIII" is a misprint, the mountings shown here were actually Mark CPXVIII.
  • For the Mark XII: 4.7 XIX. Although identified as 4.7" (12 cm) guns, photographs 4797 and 5853 at the Vickers Archives are actually of 4.5" (11.4 cm) twin mounts.
  • For the "wet-mount" 4.7" (12 cm) Mark IX guns used on submarines: Thames deck gun.

Images at Australian War Memorial: 112243, 112244, 301076, P00444.206.

Sources

Data from:

  • "Naval Weapons of World War Two" and "British Naval Guns 1880-1945 No 15" article in "Warship Volume IX" both by John Campbell
  • "Destroyer Weapons of World War 2" by Peter Hodges and Norman Friedman
  • "Royal Netherlands Navy" by H.T. Lenton
  • "British Super Destroyers" article by David Lyon in "Warship Special 2: Super Destroyers" edited by Antony Preston
  • "Okrety Rzeczpospolitej Polskiej 1920-1946" ("Warships of Republic of Poland 1920-1946") by Stanislaw M. Piaskowski
  • "British Battleships of World War Two" by Alan Raven and John Roberts
  • "Destroyers of World War Two" by M.J. Whitley
  • Tony DiGiulian's personal data files

Websites:

  • "An Illustrated Treatise on Ammunition and Ordnance: British 1880-1960" at Steve Johnson's Cyberheritage

Special help from Andrzej Sluzek

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